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INFO-HAMS Digest            Thu, 12 Oct 89       Volume 89 : Issue 761

Today's Topics:
                      ARRL Membership? (2 msgs)
                         Early Radio History
                     FT-470 UHF out-of-band mods
                                 KCBI
                             policing CB
                          Stirring Oratorial
                             water power
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Date: 11 Oct 89 20:55:12 GMT
From: pyramid!prls!philabs!ttidca![e-mail]  ( Avatar)
Subject: ARRL Membership?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Arthur Byrnes) writes:
+QST already had too little technical content, and too much
+"Contesting". It seems they have plenty of room to print the calls
+of those people who manage to get "points" by making hundreds of
+2 second contacts on modes and frequencies that do nothing to
+increase the state of the art, or even foster fellowship and
+goodwill.  But no room for the folks who are working towards
+tomorrows radios equipment.

 RIGHT ON!! This is _exactly_ my point! This damn "paper-chasing" seems to
be the overwhelming burden and it dosen't have to be like that, not at all!
 If the membership that is interested in things-technical were to mount a
unified campaign to bring this to their attention I think they'd be forced
into putting some quality tech articles and columns back into each monthly
issue. Like some of the swell stuff that winds up in QEX. Which I've been
(basically) forced to subscribe to...how is it that chasing points and paper
is worth more than radio science?? I don't really know, but I'll hazard the
guess that the contest-wackos are a more vocal lot than us techies...damn
shame actually.

+
+Just the other day a saw a note here that says they can get usenet
+E-mail, but "They are not interested".
+
+These examples show us that they are not interested in talking
+to the thousands of (mostly) upscale highly educated hams who
+are on the cutting edge of technology.
+
 Yup. I wonder how long this kind of bs will continue? I think maybe I'll
start something here: How many of you would be willing to compose and send me
a copy of a letter to be sent to K1ZZ David Sumner?? Let's tell him what we
think of this situation. Maybe we can make a difference, together.

 '73! and send me your comments. Paper-Chase or Technology ??


--
-Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY           +-------------------------+
Citicorp(+)TTI                          *----------> panic trap; type = N+1 *
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   [phone], ext. 2973 +-------------------------+
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {csun,philabs,randvax,trwrb}!ttidca!ttidcb!sorgatz **

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Date: 12 Oct 89 02:05:09 GMT
From: pilchuck!ssc![e-mail]  (Tad Cook)
Subject: ARRL Membership?

In his posting, Arthur Byrnes complained that the ARRL was not interested
in getting E-mail from USENET.  Actually, they are not set up to get
USENET.  There is someone at the ARRL who has played around with USENET,
but is not set up to distribute mail to various departments from his
personal computer.

If you want to send E-mail to the ARRL, use the MCI Mail connection.
I have posted it before, but I guess I need to post it again:

ARRL @mcimail.com

      or

[e-mail]

This should get messages to the ARRL from Usenet.


Also, regarding all the whining over the cutbacks of "New Frontier",
this represented about 8% of what they cut.  If this represented
the interests of a large percentage of the readership, they would
not have cut it.  As it is, microwave operation is done by a tiny
percentage of ARRL members, yet the league is continuing to support
it with other pubications.

73,
Tad Cook
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 89 08:36:41 EST
From: bill gunshannon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Early Radio History

For those who are interested, there is the Canadian Royal Signals Museum
located in Kingston, ONT.  It only covers one small piece of radio history
but I still enjoy visiting it every couple of years while I vacation in
Canada.
And while your in Kingston,  The Royal Military College (their answer
to West Point) and Old Fort Henry are pretty interesting too.  Not radio
related but maybe a good way to appease the rest of the family for dragging
them to a radio museum. :-) :-) :-)

                                          bill gunshannon
                                       [e-mail]


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Date: 11 Oct 89 17:19:43 GMT
From: gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!ginosko!cg-atla!raybed2![e-mail]  (EUGENE BALINSKI)
Subject: FT-470 UHF out-of-band mods

  For all of you who may be wondering wether an FT-470 will go out of
band on UHF, I have some bad news. A phone call was placed to Yaesu
by a local tech/dealer asking specifically if it could be done. The tech
at Yeasu didn't know for sure but would get back to him. Well Yaesu did
and here is the answer. They FT-470 is made in 2 styles, one that is
imported and one that is distributed to the rest of the world. It seems
that the ones that are sold outside the US can do the trick as they
have a different micro-processor than the US versions. The ones in the U.S.
cannot due to the soft/firm ware in the micro. A few of the "export" versions
were sold in the US early on, so if you have serial # 1 or whatever, it
may do it, but most will not.

    BTW if you REALLY DO need out-of-band UHF and VHF capability YAESU
makes a COMMERCIAL version of their DUAL BANDER. I believe it's called
the model 2005. Check with your local Yaesu dealer or Yaesu USA. It can
probably be programed into the ham bands.

                                                         73
                                                         UXA

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Date: 10 Oct 89 14:04:00 GMT
From: ishmael!inmet![e-mail]
Subject: KCBI

    Just to round things out: KCBI's FM affiliate is (was?) on 89.3 MHz;
with callsign KCBI-FM.

    The last address I have for KCBI that is known to have been correct is:

    KCBI
    Criswell Radio Network
    P.O. Box 1809
    Dallas, TX 75221


    -- Ben Krepp

    From uunet: uunet!inmet!benk
    From DDN:   [e-mail]

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Date: 12 Oct 89 01:19:26 GMT
From: philmtl!philabs!ttidca![e-mail]  ( Avatar)
Subject: policing CB

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
+I haven't listened recently, but a while back when I
+listened to CBers blatantly taking over the bandwidth
+just below the 10 meter band some of them even bragged
+openly about their power amplifiers and gave out their
+addresses over the air for QSL cards.  I wonder if the
+FCC ever goes/went after them...
+               Arun WC6V

 Not just below. The space between CB and 10 meters is currently unallocated
(27.410-28.000) and in the L.A. area it has become 'Hispanic CB'..lately they
have been using 28.0-28.3 as well. The Truckers too have discovered that they
can 'have a quiet channel' in this area. Nominally without a fight..

 I've bitched and complained about this for 4 years solid, I've written to
my  ARRL SM, I've written to the FCC, I've even T-hunted the bastards down
and given the addresses to both our local FCC office and  the  OO's.  I've
been trying to get some support to have the matter resolved via diplomatic
channels between the US and Mexican Governments...none of which has done a
damn bit of good! There have been about 10 people from this very newsgroup
(you KNOW who you are!) that have written me and said "Yeah, we're with
you on this..let's get 'em!" And they've done  the  same  things..letters,
and more letters..all to no avail.

 It seems, given the influx of inexpensive gear to cover the 26-30MHz band,
with all-mode (CW,AM,FM,SSB) capability, and given that such equipment is
being sold to CBers at MOST EVERY CB STORE, TRUCKSTOP etc...we, as Amateurs
had best decide to either rise up and actually DO SOMETHING about it..or
we can look forward to losing 10 meters to the bootleggers.

<side point>
 I have endured tons of  hateful,  shitty,  email  from  a  collection  of
human-scum  that  cruises  this  newsgroup,  owns  and  operates equipment
out-of-band and refuses to become licensed, or recognize that 10 meters is
lawfully allocated to the Amateur Service.  They scoff at us...they seem
quite sure that the Amateur community will never get off their asses to do
anything whatsoever about their illegal operations. Are they right?

 There are those individuals, on 11 meters, that have a reasonable attitude
and more than enough courtesy to use CB radio for it's intented purpose; but
the other side of the coin is there too. It has been my experience, that most
(not all!) CBers, given enough encouragement and support, make fine Amateurs.

 And why not? They have an active interest in RADIO.  They are willing to
LEARN. They have some experience at operating the equipment, and most have
some experience at the basic skills of electronics as applied to transceiver
installation, setup, or modifications.

 I have personally Elmer'ed 7 individuals, all of whom started out on CB. I
was never so happy as the day they all passed their Novice exams. BTW-they
took the exams from a local VEC that I have little contact with, since I'm
still only a Tech.

(In-Letter PS to the hate-mail crowd)
 What does all this mean?  IT MEANS I HAVE NO BIAS AGAINST 11  METER  OPS,
UNLESS  they  insist  on bootlegging, cranking up the power or smashing up
the rules in some other fashion.  So, you little-jerks, no  more  bitching
about  my  having an ax to grind about CBers in general!  I was once there
too.. ..and we simply didn't talk to people like you!  It  was  considered
in  bad  taste  use  'dirty-30's'  or  kick  on a Linear or not ID or hang
carriers..etc.  You cannot defend any  of  this  kind  of  behavior,  it's
simply out of line!

(back to the topic)
 The FCC will do nothing. The ARRL will do nothing...unless someone insists
on them doing so. And it had better be soon, unless we like the idea of the
CB band being 26-30 MHz, in which case the SCUM will have won..simply via
inaction on the part of the Amateur community. Think about it, 10 meters is
riding on *YOUR* decision.

 Persons interested in DOING SOMETHING about this problem are encouraged to
write me. Flames to /dev/null...
--
-Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY           +-------------------------+
Citicorp(+)TTI                          *----------> panic trap; type = N+1 *
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   [phone], ext. 2973 +-------------------------+
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {csun,philabs,randvax,trwrb}!ttidca!ttidcb!sorgatz **

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 89 08:09:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Stirring Oratorial

Wow, I'm only 32 and I feel like an old fart. I've been a ham since I was
12 and it seems like the same old controversies continue to circulate:
the ARRL doesn't support us, code vs nocode, HF knuckleheads vs VHF wierdos,
people who don't have whatever the latest mode is (SSB, SSTV, packet)
blasting those who do, etc. I guess its healthy, although in the age of
electronic mail reflectors and packet mail forwarding, I'm afraid that new
hams leaping into the digital side of the hobby are going to think Wayne
Green must be a typical ham (he's not, OK?).

In ARRL blasting, the latest series of comments has followed the usual path
of thinking of the ARRL as the amorphous (sp?) "they", as if there were
this giant jellyfish spitting out QST each month and singing the Wouff Hong
song. In reality, there are three important parts to the league: (1) QST,
and an editorial staff and writers who produce it, (2) all the various elected
directors and division whatevers who are put into office by (3) ARRL members,
who pay their dues, get a magazine, and fill out ballots.

If you don't like an article in the magazine, complain to the writer. If you
don't like QST in general, complain to the editor. If you don't think there is
enough technical content, write an article. If you don't like the action of an
elected director or whatever, complain to him or vote against him, or run for
office yourself. If you don't like what a member does, complain to him.

In general, ham radio has gotten to where it is today (which despite all
the gloom and doomers, is a pretty amazing place) by the actions of many
self motivated individual amateurs. Hams haven't needed the ARRL or industry
trade associations or hit top 40 songs to spur advances. As long as I've
been a ham, there have been moaners and groaners, pissing and moaning about
this mysterious "them" who aren't doing what "we" need to have done. And
I've noticed the P and M'ers are never running for office, or giving novice
exams, or writing technical articles. The full expression of opinions is
an important freedom we have, the taking action to change thing we don't
like is an important responsibility that goes along with it (strains of
"From the Halls of Montezuma" grow in volume here, cut to shot of sunrise
over the Iwo Jima memorial).

For those of you new, or prospective, hams who are getting your major exposure
to amateur radio from this mail listing, please don't. Get on the bands
and make some QSOs. Yeah, yeah, sort through the dueling maritime mobile
nets, and the 80 meter Pig Farmers, and the WA4Dogs of the world, and you'll
meet a lot of pretty solid people. You'll learn a lot, from an old fart
W3 or a johnny novice KB6. You'll have a lot of fun, and have a lot of choice.
Join a ham club and go out on Field Day or do two meter support to a local
disaster preparedness drill. Get on a contest and work WB2EKK on all bands.

This editorial brought to you by John Pescatore WB2EKK @N4QQ
                        [e-mail]






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Date: 12 Oct 89 03:21:22 GMT
From: att!cbnewsm![e-mail]  (william.r.clegg)
Subject: water power

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Robert W. Berger) writes:
> what is a typical flow speed (in MPH, knots, etc) of a typical stream?
>
> [e-mail]

Typically, it is about typical.


Couldn't pass that one up :-)

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